BA’s from California’s Community Colleges

From Carpe Diem:

17 states now allow community colleges to offer bachelor’s degrees.

Squeeze college into 3 years

Well, this makes me think; could California ever do this? California’s law separates higher education into three tiers, UC, CSU, and CCC. Laws can change along with trends. It would probably be a significant cost savings to the State and students who obtained theirdegrees from a Community College. I don’t buy the argument that these degrees would be “watered down”, there are many great teachers in the California Community College system. The CCC system is accredited by WASC just like the CSU and UC systems. I don’t think the UC system would mind but I can see the CSU system not backing it because it would take many of their students.

Well, since every college has too many students and not enough money, maybe California should explore this.


64 Responses to “BA’s from California’s Community Colleges”

  1. 1 Genine Lobo May 3, 2009 at 7:47 PM

    This would be a great idea and very helpful to those living in troubled financial positions who want to send their children to college. Although many may look down upon the education at community colleges, as the blog says, “The CCC system is accredited by WASC just like the CSU and UC systems,” showing legitimate credentials. Just as the other 17 states who have now allowed community colleges to offer bachelors degrees, California should surely look into this. A college education is extremely important, and allowing students to receive their degree from a community college is a great way for those living in financial instability to earn their bachelors degree.

  2. 2 Tom Jones May 4, 2009 at 8:23 AM

    I think this would be a great idea for people in communitys who do not have a lot of money to spend or want to finish school quickly to get out into the business world. As well if this helps the state save money because students can get a degree from a Community College then the state will be able to fund other projects. The only problem would be if many employers saw this as an accredited form of a degree when others go to four year university’s or colleges and obtain there degree from a prestigious university. This would help the college become more personal as well because there would not be as many students.

  3. 3 Emily Bonzi May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

    I think this would be a very economically friendly idea. Currently, I am enrolled at a private university where tutition is causing me to second guess staying another year. Why should I pay too much for an education I could recieve for less than a third of the price I am paying? A good portion of my friends attend community college and their work loads seem just as rigorous as mine. Being educated comes internally and if you are inclined to learn, than the setting and prestige of the school should be irrelevant. Next year I am living at home and supplementing my education with classes from the local community college.

  4. 4 jenna s May 4, 2009 at 11:00 PM

    California should definitely look into degrees from community colleges. CSUs and UCs are expensive and overcrowded anyway. This would help many students who simply cannot afford to go to a university. However, community colleges may turn into CSUs. For example, they may raise unit prices overtime and begin to offer more degrees. Thus, the community college would just be another version of a CSU. Offering degrees from community colleges sounds like a promising option, however, the long-run repercussions need to be thoroughly analyzed.

  5. 5 Marilyn Monroe May 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

    Getting a degree from a community college might be too easy. Of course that sounds wonderful but it is unrealistic. In the real world one needs at least a four education to live a stable life. CSUs would never back up community colleges in giving away BAs because CSUs will lose most of their applicants. Community colleges are very cheaper but after their two years at a community college one needs to further their education and transfer into a CSU or UC.

  6. 6 Luis A. May 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM

    i agree with Marilyn in the fact that CSU’s will never back up community colleges for giving BA’s because it would lose applicants and money if that were to happen. I think it would be a good thing for California to look at, but it is not probable that this would pass. It would however, benefit those who are in a financial situation where paying the CSU’s is difficult.

  7. 7 B's May 5, 2009 at 8:45 PM

    I think this makes sense for California to explore this idea. The first reason is obvious the money that a student would be able to save if they were able to go to a community college and get a bachelors degree. College prices seem to be increasing which makes it difficult to afford especially if interested in a private college like ours. If there were true concerns about the level of difficulty, there is no reason these community colleges couldn’t be evaluated and if needed increase the difficulty to the classes that go towards a bachelors degree. Extra classes would probably be added to the community colleges and those classes could be built on the same difficulty as a class at a UC school. Also this may increase the amount of students that attend community colleges which may require them to hire more professors which creates more job opportunities. So I think this would be a good idea for California to consider.

  8. 8 Hyo Chul Kim May 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM

    I think this is a good idea for the international student.
    Most of the international student have to finish the community colleges in order to go to the Standard/normal colleges or Universities. This would bring more foreign students to study in the United States and it will help economically as well.

  9. 9 Luis Orozco 101 May 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Even though the costs to get a bachelors degree are going to be less, the quality of education is not going to be as high in a person with that degree.

  10. 10 Kelsey Ryan May 6, 2009 at 12:34 PM

    I think that this should definately be an option California should consider. i do feel that the teachers at California Community Colleges are qualified enough. There will be many that oppose this idea. But there is always someone in opposition of a new idea, for example same-sex marriage. I think in the long run this will benefit more than it will hurt. It will make our state more educated at an affordable price.

  11. 11 Charlie Jesch May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM

    Personally I feel that this is not the way to go. I know I’m in the minority when I say this, but CCC’s were not designed to do this. If we begin to go down this path we ought to remove the CSU and CCC systems and form some type of hybrid. Without doing so the State would be forced to contiune to fund CSU’s who will have much lower populations, while putting an excess strain on the CCC system. CCC tuition would have to be increased dramatically. Another issue that allowing CCC’s to offer BA’s would create is that it would incease the number of BA’s in the economy. While this by itself would seem to be a good idea. Who wouldn’t want an increase in education level of the population as a whole? The issue is, that by increasing the number of BA’s in the community, the value one recieves from possessing one in devaluated, making it necessary to continue on to recieve a MA to reach the same income bracket the one previously only need a BA to occupy.

  12. 12 Rene Martinez May 6, 2009 at 10:13 PM

    Well okay. I guess it could seem like a good thing for the parents since they would be spending less money, and the students since they will be out earlier. But something still puzzles me about this. I guess my biggest concern i have with this is that 20 year olds will be out there in the real world and i hardly doubt that they will be taken seriously in the workplace. Heck they can’t even drink legally yet. I don’t know i may be pushing this way out of proportion.

  13. 13 wallacej May 6, 2009 at 11:10 PM

    I think this is great for the Community College system in that it gives people with low income and financial problems a good education that will get them higher paying jobs. I also agree that it will take away from the CSU’s. Why would you pay thousands more when you can get a BA for less than half at a Community College.

  14. 14 Leonardo Sanchez Econ 101 May 7, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    i think its a great idea for the many that have low income. Yes

    money might go less to the university’s like S.F State or even a

    U.C Berkely but why is anyone going to pay $1000’s of dollars

    more when it is equal if not the same as any other bachelor


  15. 15 NicoleMB May 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM

    How curious. This seems so odd… getting a bachelor’s degree from a community college… but I suppose there is no reason that the state couldn’t look into this. I bet if this was possible there’d be an increase in the amount of people receiving bachelor’s degrees. I know for myself the act of completing courses at community college and transferring on to a university is a personal goal and something that I’d like to experience. Being somewhere bigger and experiencing what a university has to offer; culture, diversity, lots of growth. But I think a lot of people would take the opportunity to get a BA from a community college.

  16. 16 Santi Orona May 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

    I think this is both a good idea, and a bad one. For students who are strapped for money, they would be able to get a bachelor’s degree at an affordable price. In addition, since a bachelor’s degree would be offered, the quality of education would increase for students attending community colleges. However, I think this idea would hurt CSUs and UCs. Getting the same education for a cheaper price would detract students from CSUs and UCs.

  17. 17 Tracy Thomas May 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM

    if everyone was able to get a college education, I think it would be overall a better thing for our society. I think more jobs would be available and the level of intelligence would rise to accomadate these new jobs. If giving out degrees at j.c. level would allow everyone to get a quality level of education then I think community colleges should give out four year degrees. I just can’t imagine how that would work out. Why would anyone pay to go a private institution if they can get the same eduacation for less than half the priceat a j.c.? No one would want to go state college and the only people that would go to private schools are the rich.

  18. 18 jordan May 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM

    I think it would be in California’s best interest to explore this possibility. I also agree that it’s not right to say the degrees are “watered down” because it would be the same curriculum required to get your degree at a CSU or UC in order for the system to work. This might also make the whole process feel less daunting to people who may have been intimidated by the 4-year college process.

  19. 19 mrrodenas May 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM

    This is an interesting idea. I would like to know more details about it. I wonder if community colleges could offer bachelor degrees in different diciplines or if some would be out of reach due to lack of infrastructure. And I also wonder if adquiring or expanding current infrastructure would drive up tuition costs for students at CC. That would be counter-productive! So, are CA CC ready to take a leap like this from the structural point of view?? I only know a couple of CCs and they do honestly have facilities that need more investment to repair, update, clean, etc. They ar enot exactly run down, but cannot compare with nearby state universities.

    On the other hand, CCs offer quality education and I disagree with the “water down” bachelor degree hypothesis. I have personally experienced college classes at CC, state university and even grad school, and still find the CCs to be the best value quality education in the US at this time. Of course, it does depend greatly on the instructor!!

  20. 20 Michael DeBoer St. Mary's May 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM

    I also believe this to be a good and friendly idea. good in the sense that it will open up doors to those who cant afford to get BA’s at private schools as well as CSU’s and UC’s and friendly in the sense that it is promoting education to all age groups in a way. But in the end, when it comes time to apply for a job, I think that a company hiring will always end up picking the UC student with a BA over the CC student with the same degree unfortunately.

  21. 21 Lucas Tirelli May 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM

    I believe that California should definitely explore this idea. Too many students and not enough money? Then of course it would be a successful idea. Furthermore, it would be great for students who have financial issues, and for those who would like to graduate faster to go on the job market. However, i agree with Michael on the fact that a company will most likely hire a UC student over a CC student with the same degree.

  22. 22 Tanisha Econ101/Tues May 9, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    I think this would be a good idea. Not everyone can afford college, so a Bachelor degree offered through a community college would be a great advantage. Also, offering this degree at a community college may help with transportation costs. Usually UC and CSU campuses are far from home. Or, there may be a nasty commute. But if Napa Valley College were to offer this it would be very convenient for me.

  23. 23 phanh May 10, 2009 at 6:33 PM

    i do think it is a good idea but at the same time everyone is different a lot of people would like to get their BA at a UC or CSU but at the same time people cant afford it so its is a good/bad idea

  24. 24 Andrew May 12, 2009 at 9:00 AM

    This has two sides to it for me. While having the ability to get a degree at a community college is nice, you will find that it would be harder to get a more specialized degree than you would at a UC or CSU. Funding for the community colleges would have to increase to give a broader spectrum of future fields to the community college students.

  25. 25 Matthew Dimech Econ-101 May 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

    Honestly, i don’t like this idea at all. And i even go to a community college. And i say this for one reason only, it’s too simple. Normally, students have to work in highschool in order to get good grades to go to the prestigious universities. However, giving CCC’s BA degrees, the average highschool student can now just slump around and adopt the CCC attitude. On top of that, it doesn’t matter what grades u receive, if your in a job interview against a person who has the same degree and grades that u have who has graduated from lets say UC Irvine, who do you think will get selected?

  26. 26 Brandon Ruegsegger Macro ECON (M,W,F) May 12, 2009 at 8:39 PM

    The more educated people, the better. This will make the job market a little more competitive for middle-lower and lower class jobs. However, it’s important to remember that those with degrees from four year colleges will still have advantages in the overall job market. It’s good that we’re making an effort to educate the less fortunate.

  27. 27 Courtney G. May 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

    I think that this would be a great idea because many people cannot afford to attend Universities. Being able to obtain your BA through a community college would allow so many students to achieve things they never thought would be possible. This would help with low income families achieving a chance to better themselves and get on track to start a better life.

    A lot of students would benefit greatly from achieving a BA from a CCC.

  28. 28 Lucy Hwang May 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM

    Maybe I’m superprejudiced. But I’m really worry about the education as a whole. I don’t want to undervalue the comunity colleges, but (emphasizing ‘in generally’) isn’t it true that four year colleges provide high quality classes? If CCCs gives BA, they somehow have to provide at least similar quality as universities. Not only professor but also the computers, library… etc. Well, I’m hearing the sound of tuition goes up!

    What if they are not prepared, but give BAs? I don’t think it will happen, but one who is not qualified could possibly get BA.

    Getting BA from CCCs? I am doubting its goodness.

  29. 29 Jim Castilone May 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM

    I think that this would open up a lot of opportunities for more people to get BAs. Community College is much less expensive that CSUs, UCs, and especially private institutions like Saint Mary’s. I do agree that the CSUs would probably not be too crazy about this happening in California but most of them are so impacted as it is. I like this idea and fully support it.

  30. 30 Casey Kingdon May 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM

    I think this is a difficult choice as a student to decide between a community college, and a UC. In these hard times of extreme unemployment, hiring employers are going to want a degree from a UC, or even a CSU student and not a CCC student. It has developed into an even bigger competition to get a job. The other side of it is how do these students who don’t go to a CCC, and go to a UC pay for a degree at their college? Is being that much in debt really worth it?

  31. 31 Kevin Clark St marys Macro mwf May 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM

    This would not work at all! Unless you want to drastically change the already existing method of the three tier system that is already implemented into the california system. Theres a reason that the community college is a 2 yr college and the CSU’s and UC’s are 4 yr universities. It is because they are better colleges with better instruction and more prestigious programs with a better “brand name”. If CC started offering BA then it would take money away from the other higher tiered colleges causing a disruption in the balance that we call the california educaional system. Either way this cant work and should not be voted into functionality.

  32. 32 tmt2 May 14, 2009 at 11:10 PM

    This can be so beneficial for those who cannot afford college but will the quality of education be the same? Don’t CCC’s have less funding and I am not sure if 3 years is enough to have the same quality education as UC’s and CSU’s. I agree that CSUs are the ones that should be worried because a CCC will be more affordable for a student who is looking into that.

  33. 33 Michelle V May 15, 2009 at 6:57 AM

    I think that this would be a good idea for the cost savings that it would put forward. Also, there are plenty of good teachers in the CCC system that are just as credible as teachers in the CSU and UC system. Plus, it is so expensive to go to both UC’s and CSU’s that this would be a great alternative to still allow students to get a bachelor’s degree who would otherwise not afford to get one, or at least it could help the amount of debt student’s get into through going to UC’s and CSU’s. Although, the long-run effects need to be greatly considered to make sure that these CCC’s don’t turn into CSU’s and UC’s.

  34. 34 tlr7 May 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    The idea of this sounds great, but I feel like it is unrealistic in some senses. Is only three years of college enough to help a person succeed in the real world, for the to live a steady financial life with their career. It sounds great for families or students who are low income. I feel that the education that you get needs to be priority, it will be digging an even bigger hole if all these people are not successful because of the lack of education they got out of a three year degree.

  35. 35 Jerry Ellison May 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM

    I think that allowing kids to get a BA in the CC system sounds like a good thing. There are a good deal of qualified teachers out there teaching at CCs. Also,it provides an oppurtunity for those who are dedicated to their academics but can’t afford to go to a four year. In a way, i feel like there are a lot of kids in major universities that don’t really deserve to be. Its not fair in many respects to those who cant afford to go to college or who have a harder time in the classroom. There are a lot of people out there who are more than qualified to be in the work force but can’t cut it in school.

  36. 36 Noe Pate May 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM

    While I think this is a great idea I dont think they three year route is. The thing is I have noticed that professors at a community college have a higher level of teaching skills than that of a university that offers research opportunities for people who never wanted to teach but couldn’t turn down the money provided with the contigency that the researcher teach a class at the school. THis fosters a little resentment and the student suffers. Many of my community college professors taught at prestigous universities and didnt like the bureacracy or felt that they couldnt be the educators that they wanted to be because of extra demands. I think that there should be some response to the surging demand but because our country isnt set up to make college affordable that a solution to this problem is somewhere in the rebuilding of htis entire system.

  37. 37 annmarie minite May 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM

    I think this is a good idea for those students/families who are worried about education cost. Allowing ccc to give BA’s is a great way for students who know exactly what they want to do to get in and out pretty quick, cheap too. But there is another side, many students go to csu and uc’s for the expeirence, ccc do not have that at all. A lot of students go away to grow and figure out what they want to do in life.

  38. 38 SMCecon May 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM

    Would Associate degree still be offered at community colleges? I think the spheres need to continue to exist. I think we are forgetting that not everyone wants or needs a bachelors degree and therefore the CC system should continue to provide the type of education it has always provided-inexpensive classes for students who are transferring credits or attempting to achieve an Associate degree.

  39. 39 Hannibal May 16, 2009 at 9:05 PM

    I’m skeptical about this idea. If people can go to community colleges to get a degree, then what’s important about a UC, State school or a Private School? In a way it’s like diamond…they are rare and not many people can afford them off the bat, which means exclusivity. If everyone has them, what’s special about it?

    At the same time, it’s a struggle to be able to pay for college and community college is a smarter decision in some cases, maybe most. Maybe employers won’t consider it lightly when they see where a person got their degree from when they see it was DVC, who knows right?

    Overall, I feel it could be beneficial but at the same time unfair in a way.

  40. 40 Cole Scharton May 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    This would certainly change strategies of many California students. I would imagine that many students would not go to CSU schools if they could get the same degree for a fraction of the cost. This would be the biggest factor: would the price of CCC schools increase? significantly? If so, then would they really be all that different from a CSU? What would happen to the students looking for higher education who cannot afford CSU schools, and now potentially the CCC schools? I imagine the UC schools would be pretty impartial. But for the state as a whole, we should offer these different levels to accommodate the needs of all of California students, not because of acceptance difficulty, but financial difficulty.

  41. 41 Walter Munill May 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM

    I don’t think this is a good way to help with the costs and crowdedness of UC and state schools. Many community colleges don’t required very high standards to be accepted and if these people can graduate with a degree in three years rather than the four years normally taken they may take the jobs from better qualified people who chose to attend a classic four year school.

  42. 42 Simon Kudus May 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

    I think this is a great idea. If they offered this opportunity when I started school I would have definitely took advantage of it. I also think the standard of community college would go up and might even be equally or better than some UC’s. I’ve taken some community college courses and I felt it was up to par with the similar course taught in the UC level.

  43. 43 Nikolas Bunton May 17, 2009 at 8:00 PM

    It seems like this would be a great solution to California’s problem of overcrowded state schools, seeing as our state has been struggling with the issue for a while now. In a time when there are too many students for the amount of state schools we have, opening up the the CCC system to giving out BA’s would hugely expand the possibilities for students to get degrees. Not to mention it would allow people with little money to spare in this economic crisis the opportunity to obtain a degree, something that seems almost necessary in order to make it in our state.

  44. 44 Robert LaVoy May 17, 2009 at 10:49 PM

    I have mixed feelings about this. I agree with everyone in saying that it would be a good idea for students who don’t have enough money to attend a 4 year school. But if California adopts this system and it continues to become a trend throughout the entire United States, what will be motivating high school grads to strive for a 4 year education. It seems to me that college was set as a 4 year program for a reason. How much information is not being taught without that extra year?

  45. 45 Ally S. May 18, 2009 at 1:06 AM

    I think that this is a good idea! To go off of what Professor Mark J. Perry said in his blog, I also don’t see why California shouldn’t hop on this bandwagon; especially if 17 other states have all allowed their colleges to award these degrees. Community colleges allowing their students to graduate from their schools with associates or bachelor’s degrees fulfill a need to those who are experiencing a lack of money, but still have their desire to receive an education.

  46. 46 Leonardo Rios Ecom 101 May 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM

    I think that they should do this with out no question. that way more people can stay close to home specialy in this times when family should be together to support each other. but the best reason is that the student would have more opportunities to graduate. but something to keep in main is that a few companies maybe won’t pay the same after graduation for the same BA’s from college or from a UC.

  47. 47 Andrea Nemeth May 18, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    Im not sure you would get the same quality of schooling for a community college. Although some teachers in community college do shine there are many thatdont take their jobs very seriously. I rather go to a state school to get my last two years because I want a good education for the money im spending and I want people to look at my degrees to be looked on highly and not discounted because i got them in a community college.

  48. 48 Leticia Martinez May 18, 2009 at 6:49 PM

    I’m not sure what to think about this blog because I’m not acquainted with what separates a CCC from a CSU or a UC besides the types of degrees one can receive. If a CCC could start giving out BA’s wouldn’t it just become a a CSU that also gives AA’s? The lines would be blurred and I’m sure many people who paid to go to a UC or a CSU would be unhappy knowing that they paid more for a degree of the same worth at a CCC, yet more people would be able to acquire a higher level of education that their wallet wouldn’t have permitted before.

  49. 49 Stephen Cassinelli May 19, 2009 at 2:14 AM

    I support and like this idea of having community college’s being able to offer an associates or bachelor’s degree. Having attended a California community college, i feel like they are well organized and offer a fair chance for people who can not attend either a uc or state school in California. with California having a high reputation for how our community college’s are, there is no reason why we should not go through with this.

  50. 50 Rachel Sturm May 19, 2009 at 4:44 PM

    I may be incorrect, but I was under the impression that NVC offers a BA in Liberal Arts.
    Besides that point, I think that offering the BA degree would hugely benift California. Many people stop at an AA degree just because they cannot afford the University’s high tution. If we allowed the CCC to have a program that offered a BA, then we could have a much higher percentage of people with degrees and possibly more enthusiasm about education because it would become a reachable goal.

  51. 51 Pat Kolcum May 19, 2009 at 7:40 PM

    This is definitely something for California to consider, it could end up being very beneficial. Although many look down upon the education received by community colleges I’m sure that there are plenty of amazing teachers within these schools. By offering this at these schools it would give many a chance to better their education that did not have this opportunity before.

  52. 52 Mva89 May 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM

    I think this is a good thing. I gives more people an opportunity to get an education and BA degree who otherwise would not afford to. This will definitely help the society and the economy. more people will be educated which means human capital will increase.

  53. 53 Alyssa McKinney May 20, 2009 at 8:02 PM

    UCs already accept transfer students from a lot of CCCs. I think the track programs, that allow students to transfer to certain UCs after completing their GE at a CCC, will become more an more popular if trends of higher tuition prices don’t stop.

  54. 54 Craig K May 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM

    I hink it is definitelly in California’s best interest to offer bachelor degrees at some of the more highly prestigous City Colleges. I can see where people are coming from when they say these degrees would be “watered down,” or not as legitimate as a four year degree, but I would tend to disagree in most cases. If a school can be recognized as a potential bachelor degree level school, I do not see why California wouldn’t join the rest of the states in this simplified college experience. It would increase the number of aducated people and therefore better businesses and companies would emerge.

  55. 55 Carl Hernandez May 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM

    This would be beneficial for people with low income and cant afford going to a UC or CSU but i dont think they will gain the same full potential knowledge they can get when going to a 4 year school. Community Colleges are designed to prepare you for Universities so therefore i dont think this system would work because in these hard times of finding a job employers are going to be looking for people with UC or CSU degrees.

  56. 56 Claudio Ramirez May 26, 2009 at 12:40 AM

    I think it would be a very interesting proposal to consider but at the same time alot of CSU and UC would lose alot of money with students opting for a 3 year bachelors degree at a community college i guess it just doesnt sounds right but it wouldnt hurt if it was possible.

  57. 57 quique May 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM

    I agree with the writer when he says that california could use the money from the tuition. I dont buy that people would not mind if they had a degree from a ccc because i think everyone feels great when they have a prestigous degree under their belt.

  58. 58 Jessica Schimke July 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM

    I agree.. I think it’s a little hard not to consider those degrees from community colleges as seemingly less valuable, considering that many comm. colleges are kind of a joke. The one I attended seemed like an extension of high school. There should definitely be some kind of equivalency test to ensure that the degrees are just as worthy as the degrees from UCs. But the idea of it sounds great. It’s a great opportunity for those who have financial constraints or don’t live near a UC campus.

  59. 59 Alejandro Cortez August 3, 2009 at 4:59 PM

    Receiving your BA from your community college is a great idea. While this move will probably take away some students from the CSU’s, it will provide a cheaper alternative to the UC and CSU’s. I agree with the author that there are plenty of quality professors in the community college system. My brother would not be in the process of applying to graduate school if it were not for his History and Philosophy professor in Santa Rosa Junior College. He has told me that because of the level of instruction he received at the community college level, he was able to transition into the UC system and receive incredibly high grades. I can also believe this. This economics class is as hard, if not more difficult, than any class at UC Davis. California should definitely think about instituting this change.

  60. 60 Stacey Smarker August 5, 2009 at 8:58 AM

    This would be a great idea! So many students would benifit form this. Will California be able to do this, probally not. I think that the CSU sysment is dependant on their new students to bring them money and if the CCC system takes that away and it is cheaper for students to get their degree the CSU loses out. However, the enducation will most likely go up if the CCC system offered the degree because more students can afford the education.

  61. 61 E. Speizer August 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM

    I don’t see any downside to this idea. With each university accepting fewer and fewer students each year, lots of students are left behind and often forced to join the workforce. In a recession like this, jobs are very competitive and a college education is usually needed to have an edge over others. Allowing junior colleges to have bachelor programs would increase the amount of kids with degrees and solve some of these problems.

  62. 62 Hailey Cook August 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    I would strongly opt against this, the pressures and demands of receiving a bachelors degree and the reward of it in the end far exceeds the demands of any community college accredation. I have experienced the university system and the cc system in another state, as well as in California, while lower division and GE classes are satisfactory at CC, they are not remotely close to the level of dedication it takes to teach or take an upper division class, thus the seperation, putting the two together is like trying to compare a prep high school and the university system, that basically is the point of a community college, preparing for the university, because the students there need extra time in order to perform at a higher level, dropping a bachelors degree down to the cc level is just demeaning.

  63. 63 dlilpanama November 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

    this could be a good thing and bad i think.if community colleges was able to do this it means that most people will not have to pay so much because they will stay at the community college and get there bachelors from there. this means more people may go on to geting there bachelors and being more scusseful. the down side i think community colleges will become to crowded. i think to many people will be trying to get into and stay in a community college and this will make it harder for people to get in to the schools.

  64. 64 Nick Pasquale December 6, 2009 at 8:14 PM

    I think that it would help the economy and struggling families to offer this. I think it would kill the CSU system and completely eliminate it, because students are getting the same degree and results for a way cheaper price. So it might be a good idea if California offered BA’s at Jucos.

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