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Four-year degrees at comunity colleges
After reading this article, I do agree that California needs to make more room for college students. I also agree that although not all, there are some Community Colleges that do have the potential to become 4 year colleges. I have read and heard many great comments about the CC back in my home town and that is why i believe this plan to be doable. However, it worries me that if CCs become 4-year then it will negatively effect UCs and CSUs at the local level even more. There is already a great demand for CCs as it is better for people hurting financially. If they were to become a 4-year college than it would make it even more financially appealing compared to the other universities and colleges causing a greater demand. Therefore, I am left on the fence line as to whether I would push for this or not.
So here’s the part I don’t understand: if community colleges are already overflowing, why are we still having cutbacks to classes that aren’t filled? I do like the idea of 4 year degrees being offered at a community college level, but will this also lower the prestige of high Universities in California? Like UC Berkeley and Stanford, UCSF, UCLA etc. It might make it easier to get into these universities with people opting for a bachelor’s at a community college instead of a 4 year university. That could hurt the UC’s and state schools more. But I can also see where their could be potential cost increase at the community colleges as well for expansion demands and whatnot. Maybe I’ll have to find some more information about how Florida’s state universities were affected when they implemented this program.
This is an interesting idea; I’m not sure what it would take to make community colleges be able to provide students with the chance of gettting a four year degree. It would seem that it would take a lot more money than is being offered towards education currently, but if it did happen I think a lot of students would definately take advantage of the offer.
I would also wonder what degrees would be offered. It would seem that science majors would still have to transfer in order to complete their degrees which may be a majority of students anyways.
Guess the thought never really crossed my mind regarding having community colleges offer 4 year programs. I would imagine the cost would definitely rise higher than the $26 per unit fee. Obviously to accommodate for building costs, materials, instructor fees ect… Plus most city collages like Napa’s are heavily relying on city taxes to fund the majority of the operating fee’s. Another concern would be (as said above) would the lower cost of tuition of a community colleges 4 year program outweigh the quality of education? It’s tough to say, some friends and family I know who have gone to certain state schools seem to be doing some of the same work I have already done while getting my general ed at NVC… Could be a cool idea is the costs could even out to make it work.
I think that it is not such a bad idea for the community colleges to offer bachelors degree. It is true that the state community college’s tuition is much lower then a University. A lot of my friends go to SJDC in stockton because it is much less expensive, and it is in our hometown which saves on room and board. Many of my friends want to attend Delta so they can transfer to UOP which is a few blocks down. This way they can save some money up and transfer their credits. It would obviously be a considerable amount of money saved if they could remain at Delta for four years and get their BA.
The thing that really gets me about the situation is schools are significantly raising tuition and fees for students to get themselves out of debt, but where do they think the students are going to get the money? A lot of students were already hurting before the economy took a turn for the worst and were burying themselves in debt, but now that fees are higher than ever, it’s forcing a lot of students to drop out, or put their education on hold; this in turn leads to another problem, that is, you can’t get a good job wtihout an education, and even those who have an education are unable to get good jobs and are settling for less than they normally would.
This article seems a little optimistic to me. It would be great if community colleges could offer bachelors degrees but i’m not really convinced that they can do it and keep their pricing and space under control. The schools would most likely need to raise tuition significantly and build on to the schools in order to accomodate for more students. The community colleges would basically be turned into 4 year universities. More kids could go to college but it wouldn’t change the issue of money and debt. A lot of kids go to commuity college because it’s all they can afford at the time. By making community colleges in to 4 year institutions they could become just as unaffordable as the institutions like the UC’s and state schools today and we may be discouraging students form even earning their 2 year degree.
Let’s face the music, our education system is gone mad. We would not be talking about have 2 year community colleges give students 4 year colleges degrees, if the education system was well oiled and taking care of. The education system need to be overhauled, and not just quickly patched. All colleges need to make cuts, but I would start at the top, the college president and work my way down from there. Where is the money going? The whole thing just seem like a plot for the rich to stay rich and everybody else to bend over and take it were the sun doesn’t shine! Something need to be done!
I think this would be great if it happened. After obtaining 4 Associate degrees almost 2 years ago, I applied and was accepted to attend a 4 year university. However, after 8 months of unsuccessful job hunting I had to, unfortunately, decline attending. I am one of many people who find themselves in a more difficult situation than the average college student…I am older, with children, have after school activities for those children, have a house and household to maintain, job which requires me to be available at all times, bills to pay and all while trying to fit in school in the process of that and all the other stuff life throws at you. For me quiting my job was not an option and neither was commuting. Also, my major and field choice was hit hard by the bad economy so I was faced with a huge dilema and was left wondering was it all a waste of time. Long story short, I opted to switch majors, continue to educate myself and wait out the bad times. However, if I could obtain my bachelors at a community college my dilema would cease to exist and I would be able to move ahead as would many people in my situation. Not to mention, it’s sooooo not affordable and the thought of thousands of dollars in student loans just rubs me the wrong way. I would love to be able to afford school and not be in debt forever! (That way I can save up to send the kids to the nice 4 year colleges! LOL!)
After reading this article I think that it would be a good plan if this were to be pit into action. I think that so many community colleges have the ability to give students a quality education that would be received at the four year level. Also being a student of both a four year institution and of course this college, being at Napa is such an easier college experience. I’m sure many are aware of the budget cuts and of how impacted the state schools are as of late and being able to come to a college and actually get the classes that I need and not have to fight to get into classes, it makes it a lot easier. I understand that all schools and institutions at times have to make cutbacks, but it has really spiraled out of control and I just think that they need to offer a quality education to all that want to extend their education.
Ya this would be awesome!… Being able to get a bachelors degree just minutes from my house and at only $26 per unit! Sounds like something just too good to be true. And usually if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. There is no way that they could keep the cost down that low. If they can, hey, I’m all for it. If they did keep it low, then what would be the advantage to attending the state schools or even the UC’s? I’m a little confused on that. It seems like the community colleges would pretty much be turned into state schools. But even if they did have to raise the price and it was still lower than the other schools, I think it would be a pretty good thing.
I was surprised to read that the number transfer students from community colleges to universities has fallen to 40%. I can see why students would not want to start off at a CSU or UC becuase of tuition hikes, but your degree options are limited at a CC. If you want a bachelors, masters, PhD, doctorate, etc,you cant stay at a CC. So it would be cool for those who may not have the funds to get a bachelors degree by going 4 years at a CC. But with low cost, this idea would draw too much attention from everyone else, and you’d have a campus that is already more overcrowded than it was previously.
Good idea but does not seem realistic. First, people attend community colleges for several reasons but the two main reasons are: financial and undecided on what degree they would like to pursue. If a two-year college became a four-year, then it would defeat the purpose of entering a community college because costs for students would go up and then students would have to pick a concentration or declare themselves as undeclared prior to entering the school. Also, would this make their degree as “prestigious” as earning a degree at a university that has been a four-year institution since it was founded? Plus, the schools would have to be ready for a high enrollment rate if four year degrees were to offered. Convenience and affordability would be the main reasons why people would enroll for a degree at a community college.
I think CC’s becoming a 4-year isn’t really a bad thing. Most people go to CC’s just to please parents or because it is cheaper then most Universities. The only problem I really see in it, is how high would the cost change. CC’s are a great option in getting an education at a low cost and if it goes to a 4-year how dramatically will prices raise? I have a lot of friends that go to CC’s because it is close to home and units are cheap, but if they had the option of it being a 4-year I don’t know if people would go, especially since school is not for everyone.
I’m sure some community college have the potential to become a four year college but wouldn’t that affect UC and CSU system. There are a lot of people that first go to a community college to earn their units and then transfer them to a four year college to complete their degree. If this is not necessary anymore and community colleges offer the same and more affordable I wonder about the negative impact to a four year college this could bring.
I don’t think its a good idea let community colleges become a 4-year school. The reason community colleges are here is because they are cheaper and help students start their higher education at a lower level then the UC and CSU. Why should we change the community college’s current purpose and make it something more expensive? If you want to receive your BA then go to a CSU or UC and pursue your degree there. Changing things will just make everything more complicated and the UC and CSU don’t need anymore competition because they are already suffering from budget cuts and if community colleges become 4 year colleges then that would only take away from the CSU and UC, which we don’t need. Just keep everything the same and let community colleges stay how they are helping people at a lower cost.
Although at first glance this sounds like a great idea, a lot of issues are bound to come up. The one jumps at me the most is whether it will really be an advantage to get a Bachelor’s from a CC, it may be cheaper, but it is likely that employers will still prefer to hire people with Bachelor’s from UC’s or CSU’s. The reason for this would be that the requirenments to get into a CC are very minimal, while those to get to a UC are a lot more demanding, therefore a graduate from a UC may be more qualified than a graduate from a CC. Money may be saved, but in turn the student may not be given the same opportunities becuase of the school they attended.
This is something that seems like a very good idea at a first glance. I would have to argue that I don’t think it is a good idea to do this because of what it would do to the already existing 4 year colleges. Many people attend CC’s because it is more affordable than an university, and if it becomes possible to get a degree for less money, there won’t be as many people attending universities and 4 year colleges. This can make a negative impact on the school system and the economy as a whole because there would be less money being generated in the education system.
Personally I think that offering a 4 year degree at specific community colleges in California would be an amazing idea! I currently attend American River College as well as Napa Valley College and to be honest I think American River would be a wonderful candidate for career specific 4 year degrees. They have a wonderful fashion and culinary arts program and I’m sure they have industry trade programs as well. The teachers are also wonderful as they actually take pride in helping students succeed. You sometimes feel like you’re getting a higher level of education than what you would usually find at the community college level. Napa on the other hand, doesn’t really have that type of industry specific degrees, well besides nursing and the police academy. The art department has wonderful teachers, but I’ve been enrolled in classes that were in danger of being cut because there weren’t enough students enrolled.
Back to the four year degrees, the thing to take into consideration would be degree levels and cost. Would offering four year degrees at community colleges cause prices of all community college courses to sky rocket? Would they loose their small class sizes because of the demand the new degrees would cause? Just a few things to think about. Of course it sounds like a great idea, but I believe that doing so would cause community colleges to loose their charm of small class sizes and affordable rates.
The idea of having four year degrees offered at a community college is a good idea. If four year degrees were offered at community colleges I think many would take advantage of being able to do that. But I do have to agree that if community colleges are over flowing with students how come there are cut backs and classes being dropped from the schedules because not enough students or lack of teachers.
I think making some community colleges four year schools would be very beneficial. There are so many people who can’t afford UCs and CUs. Also many people who didnt get their degrees when they were younger would be able to attend the local community college and get there four year degree which then would allow them to get better jobs.
I think that sounds like a brilliant idea! But I feel if that did happened there would be a whole lot of complications that came with it. It’s possible for it to happen, but I doubt it would be any time soon. But if andwhen it does I’ll be sure to be sending my kids to community colleges instead.
I’m actually okay with four-year degrees at community college level. Students can actually focus on learning without the hassle of paying so much for four year colleges. Also, professors can focus on teaching instead of research at a CC.
from what i have learned in class from you, the community college program is one of the cheapest ways in which to get an education. i know that at napa community college a credit class will cost you something like 50 bucks compared to thousands at SMC. so if in fact that a four year degree is viable a community colleges, it would definitely be the cheapest and as such be a great option for higher education.
I think that a four year degree should be available at community colleges because it would promote education. People with smaller incomes could then afford college. With more people getting educated the population growth would probably go down and the jobs would increase. Therefore this would be a positive thing. Community colleges would have more pressure of course to have a intense curriculum, but I think they could still keep the prices pretty low.
I am torn over this idea. First, I think that there should definitely be more community colleges. Classes are supposed to be large because most people go to community colleges to get general requirements done which means bigger classes. But numbers are getting too big, so no matter what, California needs more community colleges. I think making it so a person could get their degree there is not a bad idea but at the same time, that is not what community colleges are meant for. They are meant to help people save money and then transfer on to bigger schools when they are ready. We simply need more community colleges, CSUs and UCs.
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