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Why Do Women Still Earn Less Than Men?
It is very frustrating to hear that woman are still being payed lower than men. Even though the article states that there is progress, the progress does not seem to have taken off very fast in the past years. It is disappointing to hear that statistically woman earn less than men even if they have the same job or equivalent education. Being a female and receiving my education right now, it is a little hard to take that after graduating I am statistically going to be earning lower wages than a male. I know that many women do enter fields that pay less than the jobs that men enter into, but even if we do come close to lessening discrimination in the work force I can’t see it being completely eliminated. Because it is not just the fact of discrimination between a man and a woman, but race must also be taken into consideration.
I really hope the glass ceiling will cease to exist one day. It was interesting to hear that women choose to work in lower paying fields compared to men. I would’ve thought that in this day and age women would have careers evenly spread out across the board. The author believes that women earn less than men do to discrimination. The blind symphony study was a quite interesting read.
I agree with the lady’s above, even with a law prohibiting a less pay that males, how is it still happening? Why are there not more female lawmakers taking the rains on changing this as well? As far as the sex change data, it seems odd that it would be included in a study just for the fact that people who get sex changes account for a very very small amount of the population.
Thinking about the topic of the article, women getting paid less than men, i have always thought of there being progress for equality over the years. What strikes me the most in the article was reading, “Women’s wages have increased just half a penny on the dollar for the past four decades. How much longer can it possibly take for equality to arrive?”. Why is there not a significant progress over so long of a time. It also makes me wonder what specifically it is that makes men employees seem like a better pick then women. Is there a type of characteristic they associate typically with me and not women. For example, men being naturally forceful while women have a more tenderly care? Seems to me the best way to fix equality are applications or interviews conducted similar to the way the blind symphony auditions were held.
After reading this, I would guess that some people would probably think that employers should be ridiculed for not giving women a fair shot at a higher wage. I may sound biased, but it’s not like employers get together and decide that they are going to intentionally give men higher wages. This is something that just naturally happens. I could not explain this, and I doubt there are many people who could. Maybe its because more men are filling in the higher paying jobs, or maybe its because more women are taking lower paying jobs with less hours so they can stay at home with their children.
After reading this article, I think that it is very sad to see that there is still this discrimination in the job market amongst men and women. Women these days are going to school longer, working harder independently, and this should correlate to the amount of money that they earn in return. I think with the impact that women are making in the working world, many companies are still owned and run by male dominant figures that have a hard time with change. Its proven that women are just as capable and should be given the opportunity to be treated equally. The traditional roles are gone these days, the world is changing and discrimination should not be present in the new age.
I feel that women should be making the same ammount as men at the same jobs. It’s kind of ridiculous that they aren’t at this point. At the same time though i agree with what Tyler said. Nobody is intentionally saying “she’s a woman let’s pay her less” it’s just happening for whatever reason. And it doesn’t seem like a ton of people care enough to tr and change it or it would be changed by now. If people really care passionately about this then they should activiely do someting to change it instead of just complaining.
It is shocking and disappointing to hear that woman are still being paid less than men. It is hard to understand how come we have not come to equality between men and woman wages. It has been decades an the gap between wages is increasing so slowly that there has not been a real noticable change in a lot time. I also found it extremely shocking that woman with bachelor’s degrees earn less over years than men with a high school diploma or less. I think it is wrong that woman can be more qualified than a man and still earn much less than a man.
It is disappointing to hear that women are being paid less than men. Is someone is qualified for the a job, regardless of the gender, He/she should make the same amount of money.
I’m glad that I work in a place where i haven’t seen differences on wages because of gender. Half of the management team are women and I think I work in a place where I’m given the same opportunities as men. It’s sad to hear that there are still companies that are discriminating women.
It is possible that women will always be earning less than men. It is something about the sense of a man being superior that will stay in the mindset of humans. It is believed, whether said out loud or not, that man has dominated most career roles including those that would seem a woman would excell at. In particular we take a chef, for example. Male head chef’s are more common than female. Why would that be if women for centuries have slaved over a hot stove? This article just further interprets a never ending role of male dominance.
It is sad to know that we are still seeing discrimination in job pay towards females. Females should be payed equally to men in the jobs fields that they work in.The report given in the article shows that U.S. women still earned only 77 cents on the male dollar. This is not due to females working on a lower paying job field, this shows the discrimination females face in equal pay. It is dissappointing that females are still being payed less for performing the same jobs as men do.
Its amazing that after so much progression in womans history that women are still making less then men in the same jobs. Woman should be paid equally to men and salery differences should not be based on gender but on actual job. Being a woman its dishearting to hear this.
This is a little shocking to hear! I didn’t realize that most jobs pay men more than women, and just because of their sex. It does make sense that men get paid more because of their position at their jobs. Women tend to settle down to have a family and may put their career on the back burner which ultimately causes them to be lower on the ladder in their job because they took a family break instead of worker toward getting higher up in their job.
On a different note, it’s interesting that women don’t care as much about the money as they do their family. Shows another difference between the sexes.
It is too bad that this is still the case. It could almost be discouraging for some women because they might think, what’s the use of even going to school and getting a degree if we’re still going to be paid less than men. I especially feel for the single moms out there that have to work two or more jobs just to put food on the table, while their male counterparts are making more than them. But hopefully this will change sooner than later, especially since a lot more women these days are joining the work force and the dads are staying home with the kids.
It’s sad to say this article disgusts me. I’m a business major and in business, men are still at higher positions than women. We’re all within times of equality, or so I thought and it’s hard to be encouraged, or have a good attitude about work when things like this are still taking place.
I feel from back in our primal days women have always had the lower hand. Being seen as the mothers and caretakers, not the ones out doing to job. Is it instinct that has developed over time that we live in a mans world? I would hope not. I believe it does depend on the job, location, and wage in which women earn. With our economy, especially in this over priced state of California, we need equal grounds between men and women. If we go back to my little theory of the man and woman from the primal days, many women take care of the kids, have the kids, and raise the kids. Not to say we don’t have single dads out there. Yet, women need the opportunity to support their children, family, and yes their men. Hello, men we do the grocery shopping, do you want a hearty meal or a TV dinner, cause with lower wages the TV may be what you get. Women are just as hard workers, discrimination may never end though.
I agree with most everyone who posted. Women, with all their progression and steps moving forward, I think should not be discriminated pay wise and job wise. It’s hard because early society displayed the role for women to be a house-wife or stay-at-home mother. Since I’m young I have always seen women in older films/television shows portrayed as house-wives. They have broken the mold this generation but I’d assume it’s still hard to get past those old discrepancies. I believe that if a woman can do the same job and work as hard as a man, then they should be making the amount that the man is making.
A thought just popped in my head, I don’t know if it has any validity. But I was thinking that maybe men are more aggressive in asking for a higher salary than women are. Maybe women are satisfied with a lower paycheck? I don’t know, this is all skeptical on my part, but maybe there are some heavy underlying themes here.
Putting aside whether the worker is a woman or male, i think people should get paid based on their skills and experience and if that means giving a higher pay to a man then that’s what it is. Sure it’s a bit of a bummer that women are not exactly getting the same rate as men but as long as the pay is equivalent to the job that’s really all that should matter. I think this should be an individualized survey because each situation is completely different and you can’t compile them altogether and assume it’s going to be an accurate percentage.
Although I am certain that one of the reasons behind women earning less than men is discrimination, the fact that women are more likely to take time off from work more often than men is a really valid reason. This topic was covered in my Political Science class, and the time off from work can be due to circumstances such as childbirth or diseased family members. Men are not as likely to take time off of work to care for someone, because culturally that has task has been associated as being the task of women.
It is unfortunate that wage inequality between men and women are only earning $.77 of every dollar that men earns. I agree with the fact that there are more women working in low-paying jobs than do men. Men, on the other hand, tends to pursue high paying jobs. However, there’s always an invisible ceiling that prevent women from reaching those professional, high paying jobs. Even if the woman did in into it, the woman will not feel belong and therefore sends out the message to other women to stay in the low-paying jobs. Hopefully, the wage gap will decrease.
Like Nhi Ho mentioned above, “invisible ceiling”, for other name for it, cultural norm might be the reason for the result. However, it is true that in globally, women are paying less than men.
But, since women has to take off during her pregnancy, they must be the less demanding workers that the society wants.
It is competitive out there, and you taking off because of your private reason? Personally, I don’t think it is fair for women, but society don’t care about that. They want stronger and more stable work forces, and this can’t be called as discrimination. They are just selecting their favorable choices.
Well, I am against discrimination of any kind and I thought we were a bit further along than 77%. I guess that was my own ignorance. As I was reading the article, my thoughts ran about a line before theres. Especially when talking about factoring in industry and occupation. But then comparing men and women in the same industry is what really struck me. It’s articles like these that I really like, that give a lot of evidence to back it up. But I agree that a lot of women to gravitate towards the lower-paying industries and industries that are less high-risk, or unfavorable (how many female garbage truck workers have you seen?). This is an interseting article that presents some interesting data.
The article says that women choose to work in lower paying fields compared to men, so to me the problem isn’t that there are more men in these higher jobs, but rather that there is a constant complaint of women that say they aren’t getting the same pay. Yes it may be true that more men are in these jobs, but if women don’t make it known that they want the job, or they don’t put themselves in the position to get the job then the only person to blame is themselves.
I completely disagree with Evan because that is not the main issue. It may be true that women don’t apply for higher jobs, but that is only because of the discouragement from the past where only men had high paying jobs. There are many educated women who apply themselves just as much if not more then men and still do not get the high paying jobs. The “glass ceiling” is completely true according to statistics and not because women just don’t “want” to apply for higher positions. Women are still struggling to make a name for themselves in the business world even though there has been major progress since this process first began.
It’s funny that more women responded to this blog post than men, but the truth is it still irks me that men are paid more than women in similar occupations. One of my first jobs was in a payment center where I found out the only male in the office made $2 more an hour than I did. It really pissed me off because we did the EXACT same things all day and I was even better/faster at my job than he was. I still have no idea why he made so much more an hour than me. The only thing I could think of was that he was a guy. Yes, he was a few years older than me, but really that job did not take any education so I’m sure it wasn’t for lack of education.
Yes there are potential reasons like experience, education, and potential leaves of absence. It would be interesting to see what the different percentages are between the amount of men and women who actually graduate college. I have to disagree with Kathryn’s comment above because I don’t think that all pay rates are based on experience and education. In a job like the one I mentioned above no experience or education was even needed. I believe that in a lot of industries a man and women should be paid the exact same wage if they are doing the exact same job. If someone has lots of education/experience promote them to a better job and then pay them more!
I thought that we were making progress in have wages be equalized but after reading this article, I find it very sad to see that there still is a discrimination in the work force between men and women. Women have come along way throughout the years, we go to school, get a degree, work hard, and yet aren’t necessarily rewarded for our efforts. Most big corporations are still own by males, but with women making such a impact in society change is bound to happened. The tradition of men working and women staying at home taking care of the children are long gone, the world is constantly changing and I don’t feel discrimination should even be an issue.
It’s a shame to hear women still earn less than men. There are several women who are more qualified than males when applying for the same positions; however, they would receive a job offer with a lower pay rate than the male would have received. I definitely think that our society is still archaic in the sense that this does occur, although some people in our society believe that we are evolving. We do have an African-American president but women are still being paid less than men.
It is unfortunate to hear that many women still make less then men. I don’t think sex should have anything to do with it. If that person is qualified for the position then that should be all that matters, not whether they are a male or female. Hopefully one day women will make the same, if not more then men.
Change is slow process, thus it should not be that surprising to hear that women are still working on higher wage.On the other hand, legislation is just a piece of paper with words on it to have it you have to earn it. The pioneers pointed us in the direction it is up to the women to travel the path. I do agree with those who say that ther is not general agreement that women do not get high paying jobs if you really want the job go get it. However, there are those who undermine the effort and they should face the rath.
How disappointing, but yet I agree with the comment above that it’s not surprising. People still deal with discrimination due to gender as well as race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. (Arizona???) Hopefully one day things will be equal between men and women and that jobs be earned according to skills, education, and ability to perform the job instead of what their bits and pieces look like!
No matter what we do or say in this society to encourage equality for all, it will never happen. There are too many people living on this planet to see eye to eye and believe that everyone should be treated equal. Women have always been behind the male and it will always continue to be like that. Even if there is a rise in equality with males and females being paid the same it will never level out because there is an maternal instinct in our heads that somehow say women will always be put behind males. Its unfortunate and I completely hate to say that, but if you think about it, it is completely true. Just like how we say this country is a free country with no discriminations against any race is completely whack. Take Arizona for instance. But anyways, its not surprising to say the least that women are paid less than males. Hopefully this will change in the future because people should get paid based upon their job skills, not their gender.
The information in this article is very disappointing. yeah, there may be some progress, yet women and men are still not seen as equals. Equality in the work force will never happen until there is equality in every aspect of life. I guess knowing some progress is being made is enough inspiration for me to continue my education and hopefully by the time I am in the work world there will be more equality.
It needs to be taken into account that women are the only sex able to have babies; if women did not have children, there would be no corporations to discriminate against women, or men to be hired over women. Our society has been influenced a great deal from the men’s perspective since the beginning of our country, but it’s time to step out of their 1950s ideals, and recognize that women contribute much more than what is produced in a office. supporting women who want to work and have children should be a focus for all companies; why should women have to choose between having a family and having a career? The men don’t.
When he says that educated women gravitate towards a lower paying field is ridiculous to me. It doesn’t show that they all go for heap jobs, it shows the undervalued efforts of people in those jobs, and also shows how women are still not given equal rights as men. Cause they have every right to be a doctor and a lawyer not just the secretary or the nurse. I feel like this problem is something that is going to be corrected just because it has continued improving year to year.
This is a cause for concern. we see this over taxing in advertisement in other states, saying leave california cause we are cheaper. And its true, yet we rely on these companies for jobs. So who can they tax, or s their another option? government spending for one needs to be cut, taxing of luxury goods increased, and taxing of capital gains increased. continuing to tax people and companies will just lose cali more jobs and more money.
Can not go agaisnt the numbers. The article proves that men get paid more then women, and they blame discrimination. but what if men are just better at the jobs that get paid more then women are. Men and women are different some things men are good at women aren’t and the other way atround.
It took over 100 years for women to get the right to vote, how long will it take for women to get equal pay comparted to men? Even though it women chose occupations that contribute to the way that society runs, suchs as teaching and being a nurse. So whose is it up to to decide mens salaires are going to be larger then womesn in the same profession? If women are making $.77 to every dollar a man makes and companies are not calling this discrimiation then I would like to see their definition of discrimination. Discrimination is that treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit. Companies are favoring men over women in their salaries, just because they are women.
After reading this article, I think that women should be happy with what they are getting paid. Women can do the same kind of work as men, but not on the same level. If I was a construction manager and needed to hire a man or a woman to lift heavy objects in the hot sun, I would choose the man without hesitation. On the other hand, if I needed to pick someone to babysit my children, I would choose the woman. Men and women have different skills, mens just pay higher. Stop complaining women.
I was not convinced that the 77% figure was all that bad until the author began the comparisons between women and men who work in the same fields. I had previously thought that it made sense for women as a group to make less than men because of the differences in the jobs they take. It is understandable that a male executive would make more than a female high school teacher. Neither job is more valuable than the other, but obviously one will pay higher. But women who work in the same fields as men typically do should definitely be paid equally as long as they do the job adequately. There really is no excuse for that disparity and the problem should be rectified immediately.
Womens have been improving and they continue to grow now, but maybe not at the pace that many people want. Women are now getting hired for the same jobs as men. I think that if a woman is doing the same work as a man, then they should both be making the same amount of money.
Men really haven’t learned their history have they. As a guy, I believe woman SHOULD earn more than men, especially when a job requires more brains than brawn. Give them the chance and maybe there’s a reward for everyone.
I agree with pretty much everyone above who says that wome deserve the same amount of pay as men. If every race is considered equal why not gender. When women hear of the lower pay, they feel it is not even worth it to find a job and they become a discouraged worker. Also, equal work, equal pay should be enforced all the time. $.77 to every dollar is not even kind of close either. Even if the woman is better at their job than the man they stay earning less.
The gender gap between men and women is closing as time goes on. Women are beginning to have the same jobs as men and they should be equally paid as a male with the same position. Women in todays society make less then men and are valued less than men, but as time goes on non-equal pay will no longer be an issue.
after taking a couple of stats courses and for that matter a couple of econ courses, the topic has come up. First of all the states that you read you have to actually look into. I read a study that compared men and women who have the same field, experience, education, and company standing and it found women to be withing 97% of male incomes. What people leave out is that risk of hireing a female employee due to natural things such as maturnity leaves and the such. That takes away from job experience and as an emplyer i know im going to have to pay someone an extra high part time wage during the time my employee is gone. there are reasons to discrimination, its not just people hating.
I was not aware that women are still paid less than men. I knew that in the past they were paid less, but I guess I just assumed equality had taken its course over the years. I honestly cannot see why women should be getting paid less to do the same work, perhaps there should be some legislation to move towards equal pay for both sexes. Given the current economic climate I would assume that it would take a while for women to reach equal pay status, but some progress is better than none at all.
Years ago women earned less wages than men simply because they were viewed as inferior in the culture. It is ridiculous that this trend continues. Women should be paid according to their skill level and success they bring the company rather than according to their gender. Possibly its because more men are filling in the higher paying jobs, or maybe its because more women are taking lower paying jobs with less hours so they can stay at home with their children.
I personally believe that women are paid less simply because the majority of them have lower quality education or have lower paying careers. I don’t believe employers are intentionally paying them less because they are women. Of course, there are always exceptions. People will always have their own biases.
To hear this kind of is disappointing to hear. It’s no secret that a lot of high paying jobs are held my older white males. But it is also true that many women are capable of rising to these positions as well. It would be interesting to find out statistically how many women hold managerial positions, or CEO positions, might be more than you think. If women want to be equal with men they need to be able to do the equivalent tasks needed to fulfill the jobs duties. Women should be able to be drafted into the military and standards shouldn’t be lowered to help women take on some job duties they otherwise may not be capable of taking on. Some women might not have the authority needed to run a company with an iron fist and therefore might be paid less
I agree with Tyler. I don’t think the firms are purposely giving higher wages to male rather than giving it to female workers. Compared to the way it was in the past, i think that the gap between male and females has shortened. This is a problem which will take many years to fix. Although the improvements are gradual, it still is an improvement.
one of the main reasons in which all of the women a being paid less has to do with lasting social determents. while women may still be earning less then men, if we look at it in a broader sense, compared to 50 years ago it is a giant leap in both pay and employment of women. with this being the case, it should only be a matter of time before things finally equal out.
Discrimination against women in the workforce still occurs today. There is not a reason for why a man would get paid more than woman who is just as capable. The playing field is not as uneven as it once was but there is still progress to be made. I hope that this unfair treatment ends soon, over time the playing field will completely even out.
The discrimination against woman in the work force has not changed even though some might like to think so. Although the Obama administration may have focused upon this right from the get go of their term, this problem has been going on for several decades. Women are starting to get better jobs, but the majority of the high paying jobs are only given to men. The worse aspect of this problem is that men still make more money than women in the same fields. Women should be given just as an equal chance especially when their abilities clearly surpass that of her male counterpart.
The discrimination of women in the work force is insane, but it has been like this since the beginning of time. Our world has been influenced by a mens idea since the beginning of time. But its 2010 now, and we need to realize that times have changed, and women contribute a great deal to society. Therefore we need to let them be equal in everything :)!
I believe that opportunity for women is at an increase. Women now hold CEO and relevant positions that have never been offered before. Yes, the stats do not lie and i do believe the women should be given more to fill their full potential. I hope in years to come that an article will come out expressing the rise in women jobs.
I still can’t beieve that women are still being treated unfairly. Though it has gotten better throughout the years, it still isn’t what it should be. Women have proved themselves time and time again that they are just as capable as men. We’re in 2010 now and we still have this image that men are the dominate ones. thats not the case at all anymore. I just hope in the future it will all be equal.
I think it’s ridiculous that at one point in the article it states that one of the reason why women make less is because they seem gravitate towards careers in nursing or education. It shouldn’t matter what career women are in we should still get paid the same amount as men. It’s very disturbing to read that we’re living in the year 2010 and there’s a discrepancy in the amount women and men get paid.
Although women are still being discriminated against I think women’s rights have improved. However, because it is not taking place instantaneously people seem to get frustrated. Women are now getting hired for the same jobs as men something that would never have taken place 10-15 years ago. I do believe if women can do the same job as men then they should have equal rights to the same pay and the same chance of being hired, however, there are still jobs that women cannot perform that a man could.
Women have always been discriminated against in the work force. Even though it is not as bad as it used to be, it is still continuing to be a problem in today’s society. Nowadays, more women are going to college than men are, yet when it comes down to who is getting paid higher wages, it still continues to be the men. This is very unfair to women.
Even though there has been significant progress in the woman’s rights movements, there still isnt perfect equiality in the work area. Men are significantly making more money than women and that is definetely discimination. It is about time that the government starts to fic this problem if they hop to acheive the success of past years and move out of this recession.
It is an unfortunate reality that women still are getting paid less than men. However, I’m surprised that people aren’t outraged by the differences in salary based on race. I would love to see a table showing the different average salaries men and women get paid based on race. I’m surprised that the article didn’t elaborate on those differences because I’m sure that the results would be shocking. All that said, workers with the same qualifications should be paid the same pay rate, bottom line.
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